The German Car and Rare SportBike Blogs Round-Up For Early December

Here are my picks for early December from RareSportBikesForSale.com and GermanCarsForSaleBlog.com:

1968 Porsche 912 For Sale in Bahama Yellow: The owner of this car has dropped the price $1100 in less than a month’s time and would seem to indicate a motivated seller. While the motor isn’t the original, it is rebuilt. And this isn’t going to be a concours car anyway. His website has many articles on the model and the classified ad on Pelican Parts is refreshingly honest. Personally if I were buying, I’d keep it as is if the rust was livable and drive the balls off it!
1989 Honda VFR400 NC30 in Alabama: Interesting for sale posting to say the least. But the bike looks really sharp and clean. He goes on to explain that it’s titled and tagged in Alabama.
1991 Porsche 964 Carrera RUF RCT Conversion: A really rare opportunity without question. But only serious collectors are likely to get excited considering the $69900 buy-it-now listed on the ad.
1989 Yamaha FZR 400 For Sale in Vegas: The FZR400 has an aluminum frame compared to the steel frame of the FZR600, which is cheaper and heavier. Many FZR400’s were snapped up by club racers and never to be seen on the street again. But apparently there are more out there ready for street duty than I thought!
1999 Alpina B12 6.0 For Sale in Spain: The BMW e38 really is a fine platform and I can only imagine what the Alpina version brings to the table. According to the Alpina Archive website entry on the B12, it’ll do a standing quarter mile faster than a Ferrari 355!
Beautiful and Original 1986 Suzuki GSX-R 750 For Sale: The red and black is a really stunning combination and I can’t say the last time I saw an 86 this clean and original. And it’s not like these are going to become easier to find…
1988 BMW e28 M5 For Sale with only 41k Miles!: In the U.S., the e28 M5 really is more rare than the e30 M3. Can you imagine what a 44k mile e30 M3 would have for an asking?!
1998 Ducati Superbike 996RS: They Don’t Get Much More Rare Than This!: Collector race cars and bikes are not really an arena I’m well versed in, but one thing is for sure: It’s a very rare machine anyway, and it’s been ridden by Troy Bayliss. It’d look great parked under the Christmas tree I’m sure!
2000 BMW e39 M5 For Sale with only 4k Miles!: I’m just saying, if my lotto ticked gets punched this week, I’d take this over the newest version. If I remain mortal without the winnings, I might still think a well looked after used e39 M5 might be in the cards considering they now hover in the low 20’s for asking price.
Two Porsche 944’s For Sale: Less Than 50k Miles Combined!: I realize the prices are steep, but the pictures really seem to demonstrate two really clean and original cars. Those interior pictures could be from a brochure. Considering these cars are practically new, they could be considered a cheap means to nearly new Porsche ownership compared to the MSRP of today’s new Porsches!

How I Almost Bought a 964 Carrera 2

It’s been a week now since I made up my mind not buy this car and it’s still hanging around my neck like a brutal hangover. Check out this solid looking 1990 Porsche Carrera 2 for sale that I just listed on GermanCarsForSaleBlog:

When I saw this car and made contact with the seller, I had that feeling that I’ve had before when I’ve spotted ‘the one’. The same feeling I had when I bought the M3 for instance. The right mileage, history, maintenance and upgrades. You know, a great example being passed from one enthusiast to another. But alas, there will be another someday…

Here’s a preview of the online resource guide I’ll be putting together for prospective 964 buyers:

Porsche 964 Known Issues

  • The early 964 motors leak oil, and potentially lots of it. Many consider it not a matter of how much, but how soon it will be severe. Later 93 models have a correction to the motor to solve this issue.
  • The flywheel is also notorious for failure in the 75-100k mile range. Again, the later models address this issue and can easily be retrofitted.

Porsche 964 Online Resources

  • 6SpeedOnline – A growing community with a lot of vendor support. And where I spotted the classified ad for the car featured in this post.
  • Pelican Parts Forums – This is THE online gathering place for Porsche enthusiasts. There is a dedicated 964 discussion area and also a fantastic classifieds area.
  • John’s Porsche 964 Web – While the site is very 1999ish, the content and membership is very robust. There is a ton of first hand experience, advice, reviews, and picture on this site. A must read for the Porsche 964 buyer.
  • JW’s Porsche 964 Site – Another first hand account enthusiast site that has excellent data on actual ownership costs, magazine reviews, and links.

Why This 964 With 130k miles Looks Attractive to Me

  • This car has reported full receipts. On German sports cars this is a very good first indicator of previous owners who cared for the car. And it’s not cheap, which will help provide state of mind in knowing there isn’t thousands needed in immediate expenses.
  • This car has a rebuilt motor and was built to include all the 964 upgrades to make the engine as reliable as possible.
  • Because this car is a must own someday car for me, I have to include that I’m also attracted to this car because it was the high school fantasy dream car for me. I even assembled this (recently reissued) Fujumi model of the Porsche 964 Carrera 2 at 17 or 18 years old, in you guessed it, black on black.
  • I even like the upgrades of the tasteful H&R springs, chip, strut bar and sport exhaust. All upgrades I’d probably choose to make myself, that are already in place!

I consulted my close friend and Porsche specialist, Paul at Sports Car Shop, about my analysis and gut feeling concerning the approachability and value of this car. It went like this:

[22:07] Dan: it’s got mileage and isn’t perfect. While it will live in the garage, it won’t be the end of the world if it stay in the driveway for a week or two. True or False
[22:07] Paul: True, Porsches are “real” cars, not just garage queens that fall apart at the first sign of moisture.
[22:07] Paul: Next?
[22:08] Dan: A Carrera 2 with good maintenance and 130k miles is a good deal at 18.5k. True or False
[22:09] Paul: True, Maintenance is key but the Carrara motor is a direct descendent of the venerable 3.0 SC engine, a bullet-proof high-mileage motor if taken care of.
[22:11] Paul: uh oh, this looks like a long one, I’m getting a beer
[22:12] Dan: Even though this motor is not numbers matching, having been rebuilt with the right corrections (barrel/case seals, vented distributor, flywheel upgrade) and having only 25k miles on the drivetrain, is likely an inevitible expense with early 964’s. Isn’t it valuable to a driver to know that this car is good for at least another 75k miles even if upgrades weren’t performed. True or False. And how much does a cheap to dealership range cost to rebuild a 964 motor anyway?
[22:12] Dan: Yes, beer me too!
[22:15] Dan: mmm, Grolsch, good call!
[22:17] Paul: True, an engine rebuilt to stock specs should have a life expectancy of at least 100k miles. A rebuild is not cheap and almost out of the question if a specialty shop or dealership performs the repairs, somewhere in the $10-20K range. A quick freshen-up without new pistons or head work is a bit chaper, but in the end a used engine is the only “budget” solution. I still am curious why this car
[22:17] Paul: needed an engine so early in it’s life?
[22:18] Dan: the email states excessive oil leaks, which is inline with what I’ve read in terms of buyer’s guides for the 964
[22:18] Dan: (Link: http://www.porsche964.nl/reviews/964-2003.php)http://www.porsche964.nl/reviews/964-2003.php
[22:19] Paul: Then a reseal, not a rebuild is what’s in order. I’ve seen and repaired a number of these with leaks from the valve and timing chain covers, rear main seals, and front seals.
[22:19] Dan: sounds like I need to call the guys who rebuilt the engine ahead of time to inquire
[22:20] Dan: according to the email, the dudes who rebuilt the engine are reputable, but I should do my own homework
[22:21] Paul: agreed, call and ask those exact questions, ‘what was rebuilt, what was replaced, and why?”
[22:21] Dan: what are acceptable answers and what are not?
[22:23] Paul: I suspect that the car had an extensive engine-out service to repair the oil leakage (a 993 we did recently with some upgrades but no rebuild ran $13,000). but was not “rebuilt. The owner may have misunderstood because of the magnitude of the work and the cost involved.
[22:24] Paul: or, he got a great deal and you could too!
[22:25] Dan: well even with that caveaot in place, I still tend to think as an infatuated buyer that the expensive upgrades have been performed (if documented) and it could still be a deal and even an appreciating car. Especially black on black
[22:26] Dan: And personally, I love the design 90 wheels and I’m glad they’re part of the picture
[22:26] Paul: there is no doubt that whatever has been done to it in the past if it’s a clean, well-running car it’s worth the asking price.
[22:26] Dan: and in the end, this is my point
[22:27] Dan: especially if the right mods were in fact made, from what I’ve read, that’s the only stuff to bitch about on this platform.
[22:27] Paul: As an investment you could always recoup your money
[22:29] Paul: the 964 is underappreciated, the cool classic style of a 911 with the modern grunt of the 993 engine, what’s not to love?

So anyway, I will regrettably be passing on this car. But if you’re in the PNW and in the market for a 964, you should go check this car out!

Disclaimer: I have not seen this car in person nor has Paul. While I presume a visual inspection will reveal detailed documentation of service history and the overall quality of this car, I can only assume the buyer be educated or employ a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before buying to be sure.

dc

1990 Porsche Carrera 2: Getting Closer

Well after all my whining about the lack of decent sub-$20k 964’s on the market that Excellence magazine suggests to exist, this sharp looking 1990 Porsche Carrera 2 comes up eBay:

1990 Porsche Carrera 2 eBay1990 Porsche Carrera 2 For SalePorsche Carrera 964 Sport Seats

In my mind, the pro’s include under 100k miles, it’s red, has the sport seats, and has a killer stance. For me, the concerns include the missing ‘design 90’ wheels (though these 993 wheels work), the unexplained stance (owner states it’s not lowered), and the oil leak. This seems like it could be a fair deal if the leak he describes isn’t caused by the notorious leaking head issue on the early models (Porsche 964 FAQ on Rennlist). This should have been addressed by now.

Definitely worth a look though.

dc

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